Curse

Great Gjl · Jun 06, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

This is how teams can dance their way into the Hall of Heroes after trapping the sole survivor of the enemy team. Just kill him as soon as the WaW message pops up.

Yes, he could have just left the game...

Yabba · Jun 06, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

ah, and i was wondering what people where doing.
have seen it 2 or 3 times happen.
later i heard about a trick to go directly to the hoh but couldn´t figure it out completely.

DarrenJasper · Jun 06, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Uh, does that really work?

I had a group leader who insisted we do it and I thought he was crazy.

Red Locust · Jun 06, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

more often than not, it works.

Sadye X · Jun 06, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I've been hearing more and more about people doing this, and have even had it suggested while I was in a tombs pug that we try it, though in some ways I'm glad we didn't. Welcome to the new fad exploit in the realm of pvp. Afterall, why rely on skill and teamwork to make it to the HoH when you can manipulate the system to get there ? Not that it does many teams all that much good considering they're usually slaughtered in under a minute once the HoH match starts

Hopefully this gets fixed soon ~ I know if I'm ever the last person standing on my tombs team I'd exit before I'd ever let another team use me as their *golden ticket* to skip the next round

Chev of Hardass · Jun 06, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Sadye X

Hopefully this gets fixed soon ~ I know if I'm ever the last person standing on my tombs team I'd exit before I'd ever let another team use me as their *golden ticket* to skip the next round

First, it only works if you are fighting a 1 team vs 1 team match.
Second, it only works if you kill the last one shortly after the WaW message.
Third, this must have been built into the game for it to work, so quit complaining about it.

If a team is good enough to completely control the other team down to the last member and that member does not leave the game (usually a warrior that insists they are amazing survivors), they deserve some sort of reward. Yes, teams that do this may very well get slaughtered at the HoH, but they miss out on fame and Exp on the way there, so they are the real loosers, if they do not win at the HoH.

So go through your way, get your fame, and your experiance, and let those that think they are good enough to, jump. If you find yourself on a team that is getting this done to, have that person leave the game.

Easy.

DarrenJasper · Jun 06, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

I doubt it was intentionally built into the game. But I could give a damn if people do it.

If they deserve the Hall, they'll win. If they don't, just more greenhorn fodder for us.

sumason2 · Jun 06, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

Third, this must have been built into the game for it to work, so quit complaining about it.

This is like saying that it's ok to shoot someone because people have made guns. So stop complaining about it.

This sounds like a bug to me.

Bottom line, If Arena.net deems this an exploit and you are caught doing it you are likely to be banned. Breech of contract and all of that legal mumbo-jumbo. In my opinion this sounds like a bug. It sounds like something that happens in a way that was not originally intended to happen.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 06, 2005, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I've done this before, once by accident. Didn't work one time but we waitied to long I think. Thank you to the opposing team member that was patient with us to wait until it was time to kill you. I would do it for another team if asked to. We all want the Hall, and just because it wasn't your time to get there you shouldn't hinder the progress of others. Remember it only works under cetain cicumstances, and with cooperation of the other team. Really how often do you think another team member is going to sit there and wait for you to kill them? Remember it just gets you to the Hall of Heros doesn't get you a win.

Bingley Joe · Jun 06, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Chev of Hardass

this must have been built into the game for it to work, so quit complaining about it.

Yeah!

I'm sure it's right there in the original emote design-doc:

Quote:

• /dance - l337 arena finishing move

I mean, if this isn't the intended use of /dance, then what is?

Joxter · Jun 06, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

"All's fair in love and war" is an old saying. What's the games name?
No, It wasn't "sporting" to torture the last warrior standing, but exiting sounds like a way out. If it's a bug, lets make sure Arena.net is aware, and fixes it.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 06, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

great. 1 more way people can exploit bugs and cheat their way past the easy rounds of the Tombs.

asdar · Jun 06, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

People don't think this is an exploit?

How can it not be an exploit. It's a short cut that cheaters get that hard working but honest people don't get.

At least if you do this 'trick,' be honest with yourself and admit that it's an exploit to yourself.

People that get run through Lornars are doing the same thing. I don't really have a problem with that because they're just affecting themselves at that point but this is like someone being run through Lornars and then going back to the level 10 arena in Drak armor.

You're cheating in PvP, which is cheating other real people. If you want to cheat against a computer that's one thing, but against another person is kinda immature and despicable.

DarrenJasper · Jun 06, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by asdar

People don't think this is an exploit?

How can it not be an exploit. It's a short cut that cheaters get that hard working but honest people don't get.

At least if you do this 'trick,' be honest with yourself and admit that it's an exploit to yourself.

People that get run through Lornars are doing the same thing. I don't really have a problem with that because they're just affecting themselves at that point but this is like someone being run through Lornars and then going back to the level 10 arena in Drak armor.

You're cheating in PvP, which is cheating other real people. If you want to cheat against a computer that's one thing, but against another person is kinda immature and despicable.

But who cares? It really isn't cheating against other people, because they are not imbued with any special advantage from this. So they skip a few rounds and miss out on some fame, it's not like getting to HoH faster gives them any better a chance of winning it. If anything, they probably have less chance since (if they're a PUG) they missed out on most chances to learn how to best work together and coordinate, leaving them ready to be torn to shreds by hot-running HoH groups.

Weezer_Blue · Jun 06, 2005, 06:04 PM // 18:04

It's like a cheat code to get to a further level in a game. Eventually, you'll figure out how to beat it even if you skipped all the stuff prior to it that may have made you better prepared. Lets say your PUG stays together a couple runs. They'll learn each other's moves and so on. Not that any PUGs are good, in general.

asdar · Jun 06, 2005, 06:10 PM // 18:10

It get's them there past other teams that are doing it without cheating, if nothing else it gets them there more times in a single night and thus gives them a higher chance of winning it.

It's cheating, it does give them an advantage that other teams don't use because they're honest. Even if the gains are small in your opinion they are real gains obtained through cheating.

I'm not the most altruistic person around. If someone could hit UAS in PvE and play through every mission I don't care. That's their own game and in my opinion they're only hurting themselves but jumping right to HoH matches gives teams an unfair advantage in getting to the top level Arena in the game.

I'm not saying it's ruining the game, I love the game and this won't affect me greatly but I won't do it because it's wrong.

Xellos · Jun 06, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Sama, they figured it out! Quickly to plan B!

Chev of Hardass · Jun 06, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A B A Select Select Start

Enough said

Ordas · Jun 06, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

i agree that this is an exploit...

and player's can't "Just Quit" it breaks up their team! what if they were a PUG. its hard to get reorganized. And they shouldn't have to do this anyways. A workaround would be to give a player a /suicide option... but they shouldn't have to do this either.

Scaphism · Jun 06, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I'm not ready to say it's an exploit, but it certainly falls into the realm of ambiguity.

Here's why:
You fight your way through Tombs normally, finally overtaking the hall.
You successfully defend for 1 round against both challengers.
You successfully defend round 2 versus both challengers.
In round 3, you are fighting the exact same teams from round 1, but they come in with the perfect counter to your build, and you lose.

That's where the exploit lies.
You can go back and forth on how "fair" it is to skip Tombs matches (believe me, I'd like a bye from the first few rounds!) but at the end of the day jumping to the Hall with the perfect counter to the current team ensures that the defending team will be fighting more and more builds designed to counter them specifically (and it's been done against us).

You could argue that it's just hastening your team's eventual downfall, but Tombs is supposed be be organized in a tournament fashion, and if 1 team is repeatedly skipping rounds then they are violating the rules of the tournament. They are getting more shots at the current champs without earning their way back up, and they are taking those chances away from the other teams that have to fight their way through every round. Period.